Output power - rule of thumb?

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Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mikhailwatt » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:05 pm

Without actually taking measurements - any idea how much power a DR103 (early '70s) is pumping into a cab at a given setting?
Obviously it varies with the guitar and other factors, but let's say:

PAF humbucker, medium output
No pedals
Channels jumped & dimed
Tone stack straight up (all controls @ 12:00)
Master volume @ 12:00
Impedance set @ 16 ohms, into 16 ohm cab

I'm assuming maximum clean power is at least 100 watts, but this setting is quite a bit beyond clean. How far can you go before a 200 watt cab sends up the white flag? :shock:
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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby gtomax » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:34 pm

General rule of thumb is have a cab rated at twice the RMS of your amp. RMS is the power output at full clean before clipping. This varies by amp, tubes, etc. but generally around 3-4 on a plexi Marshall NMV to give you an idea. Obviously the amp is capable of much higher power output than that when dimed. For a 100w RMS amplifier, you'd be safe with a 200w cabinet.

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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mikhailwatt » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:44 pm

Right, I've heard of healthy old plexis putting out close to 200 watts in some cases. I'd figure a HIWATT is in that category as well.

So, at the setting I described, maybe no more than 100 - 150 watts?
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Postby Dr.HI-TONE » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:57 pm

if memory serves me correctly a healthy DR103 can put out upwards of 180 watts maximum. Plexis are wussies! :twisted:
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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mikhailwatt » Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:32 pm

Dr.HIWATT wrote:if memory serves me correctly a healthy DR103 can put out upwards of 180 watts maximum. Plexis are wussies! :twisted:

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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mhuss » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:06 pm

I agree with max, rated cab power = 2x rated amp power is generally a good ratio, both tonally and safety-wise.

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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby OldSchoolDave » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:11 pm

mhuss wrote:...rated cab power = 2x rated amp power is generally a good ratio...


Unless you like that "electric train" smell :mrgreen: (and spending money on recones).

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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mikhailwatt » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:35 pm

OldSchoolDave wrote:Unless you like that "electric train" smell.

It's normal, though, for them to get a little warm (but not hot) to the touch during extended high volume use?

I noticed a faint smell last night when I took the back off the cab, but I think it was the glue I used the day before to reattach a magnet cover. At least I hope it was the glue, and not a voice coil. :? Channels dimed, master on 4 into two 50 watt Fanes... they should handle that without any problem.

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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mikhailwatt » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:10 pm

gtomax wrote:RMS is the power output at full clean before clipping. This varies by amp, tubes, etc. but generally around 3-4 on a plexi Marshall NMV to give you an idea.

Is that roughly equivalent to a DR103 with the channels dimed, master on 4? Never played a super lead plexi, so I don't have anything to reference.
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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mhuss » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:44 am

More or less, yes. :mrgreen:

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Postby OldSchoolDave » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:33 am

mikhailwatt wrote:It's normal, though, for them to get a little warm (but not hot) to the touch during extended high volume use?


Warm is normal. There's a lot of motion under those conditions, creating friction, producing heat. You'll know *the* smell when you smell it...

mikhailwatt wrote: Channels dimed, master on 4 into two 50 watt Fanes... they should handle that without any problem.


Only problem is that is that we don't know how linear the power output is, relative to master volume position. I think Hiwatt cabs were conservatively rated. So, in theory, a pair of those Fanes should be o.k. with a throttled-back DR103.

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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby mikhailwatt » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:01 pm

OldSchoolDave wrote:Only problem is that is that we don't know how linear the power output is, relative to master volume position. I think Hiwatt cabs were conservatively rated. So, in theory, a pair of those Fanes should be o.k. with a throttled-back DR103.

They survived the onslaught just fine, though I won't test my luck again with just the pair.
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Re: Output power - rule of thumb?

Postby countdecibel » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:51 am

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